Curse

Dobermann · Nov 08, 2009, 09:17 AM // 09:17

The attempted UWSC nerf failed, the only way anet can truly kill it is too Smiters Boon SF.

Several people within my alliance, granted, some of the best UWSC'ers (the people who set the 7 minute record) made a build which could do it all in 20 minutes, still using FOUR permas.

All this update has done is kill 55's (no questions asked), virtually destroyed 330's and Terra/Famines (cant be sure as I dont have one yet) and made 600's a little bit harder.

I propose turning SF into a maintanable version of Mist Form, being that you take no damage at all, but can still be interupted, and can be target of spells (pits, plaines would get owned easily). Given the AI's stupidly accurate interupting (ive had gwen tease my infuse in HA...) this would mean that the new SF would be nigh on impossible too maintain.

Another idea would be too (as mentioned above) Smiters Boon SF. That is; make it ridiculously underpowered, infact, maybe give sf the same cost/cast/recharge as smiters boon (pvp) and have 2 types of skill balancing. "Skill balancing" and "Smiters Boon skills".

My last idea is too make the 4h quest easier, if anet truly wants people too use teams and not just cookie cutter builds, make 4h easier. No balanced team can seriously do 4h without doing a split, which in hm is virtually impossible without using Obsidian Tanks or Spellbreaker monks, but monks need skills like UA and HB as healers, not SB.

Please note this is not a rant this is a suggestion thread.

P.S, Make uw like Kanaxai and urgoz, instead of having areas too go through too get too the boss too kill in order too get the chest, you have quests.

AKB48 · Nov 08, 2009, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by Dobermann

I propose turning SF into a maintanable version of Mist Form, being that you take no damage at all, but can still be interupted, and can be target of spells (pits, plaines would get owned easily). Given the AI's stupidly accurate interupting (ive had gwen tease my infuse in HA...) this would mean that the new SF would be nigh on impossible too maintain.

But what's the point then? Ppl will just use SB or Obbyflesh instead of SF when fighting against monsters with interrupts.

Killamus · Nov 08, 2009, 09:48 AM // 09:48

Woohoo. It apparently has helped, because "THE BEST!" guild is now slowed down by almost 300%. Most pugs now fail, and even guilds are having a harder time with it. This, to me, screams nerf. No more do you have people mindlessly doing UWSC, it takes a bit of thought now. No matter what you do, unless you Mallyx the entire area, you're going to have gimmick builds farming the area. Or, you could go WoW's way, and just beat the crap out of areas through sheer force of numbers, but that's kinda lame, in all honesty.

Truthfully? As it stands, except for the few really good UWSC'ers, no one is going to do much there any more. The people who are good at what they do will still farm it (I still farm the planes), until a "Bash head on desk"-way is found again. And don't worry - It will be found.

For right now, no one is going to do UWSC until the rewards are buffed for the time it'll take to re-learn it, unless they're already good at it.

Dobermann · Nov 08, 2009, 10:20 AM // 10:20

As foir the QQ'er saying "oh ppl will just take obsidian flesh and sb":

SO WHAT?!

Its more balanced than 6 splits and 1 group of 2 doing the whole area...

As for this:

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Originally Posted by Killamus

Woohoo. It apparently has helped, because "THE BEST!" guild is now slowed down by almost 300%. Most pugs now fail, and even guilds are having a harder time with it. This, to me, screams nerf. No more do you have people mindlessly doing UWSC, it takes a bit of thought now. No matter what you do, unless you Mallyx the entire area, you're going to have gimmick builds farming the area. Or, you could go WoW's way, and just beat the crap out of areas through sheer force of numbers, but that's kinda lame, in all honesty.

Truthfully? As it stands, except for the few really good UWSC'ers, no one is going to do much there any more. The people who are good at what they do will still farm it (I still farm the planes), until a "Bash head on desk"-way is found again. And don't worry - It will be found.

For right now, no one is going to do UWSC until the rewards are buffed for the time it'll take to re-learn it, unless they're already good at it.

PUGs failed normally anyway, the wastes nerf was enough too make 99% of pugs suck.

Spiritz · Nov 08, 2009, 10:21 AM // 10:21

For Gods sake stop QQing and get on with it.
For ages ppl moan Uw is too easy and when anets makes it harder same ppl QQing its now too hard and its only been a week.
So what if Uwsc has slowed - Uw has changed so all old records are void and soon there will be new records.
So what if its harder - as pointed out somewhere else ... anets added skeletons which can drop ectos.Oh that means theres a slight chance increase for ectos .
Adapt/evolve/ get on with it.

Im sure there will be new Uw builds and guides soon and new records so those who are lazy and rely on others to do the work will have to wait - and those who are trying themselves .. goodluck and hope it works

Dobermann · Nov 08, 2009, 10:22 AM // 10:22

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

For Gods sake stop QQing and get on with it.
For ages ppl moan Uw is too easy and when anets makes it harder same ppl QQing its now too hard and its only been a week.
So what if Uwsc has slowed - Uw has changed so all old records are void and soon there will be new records.
So what if its harder - as pointed out somewhere else ... anets added skeletons which can drop ectos.Oh that means theres a slight chance increase for ectos .
Adapt/evolve/ get on with it.

Im sure there will be new Uw builds and guides soon and new records so those who are lazy and rely on others to do the work will have to wait - and those who are trying themselves .. goodluck and hope it works

Actuyally read my post, and NOT just the title noob, IM SAYING THE NERF IS NOT ENOUGH, NOT QQ'ING OVER THE NERF.

Nub.

ElnoreVarda · Nov 08, 2009, 10:24 AM // 10:24

The 4Hmen can be done with a balanced team (in HM) with or without splitting, and without using tanks. Whats more troublesome to balanced teams is the mindblade spawns after you kill a banished dream rider. None tankspank teams have a hard time against those.

Regardless: Yes, nerf SF.

Killamus · Nov 08, 2009, 10:40 AM // 10:40

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Originally Posted by Dobermann

Actually read my post, and NOT just the title noob, IM SAYING THE NERF IS NOT ENOUGH, NOT QQ'ING OVER THE NERF.

Nub.

Except that the nerf WAS enough. Everyone says that pugs fail - I won't dispute this, but they don't fail as often as everyone thinks. These "Uber" guilds that did 7-10 minute UWSCs consistently where not the problem, they contributed a very minute amount to the whole pool of ecto that was constantly coming into the economy. Mostly because, even with 7-8 minute UWSCs, there where STILL better farms out there, sans the rare drop from the end chest. And people did these farms instead.

Think about it: These 8m UWSCs didn't kill anything. They went for what they had to kill and ignored the rest. Pugs, on the other hand, regularly went for 20-30 minutes. In that amount of time, I could finish wastes and clear out about 90% of all the smites in there. That's a lot more ecto then just killing 15 terrorwebs.

Is your idea to kill off UWSC entirely? Because, truth be told, that's a horrible idea. As it stands, people can still get into UWSC if they're willing to learn, and can still make a profit off of it. If you want to make it so that only balanced groups can do it, then the rewards need to be greatly buffed. Even doing spiritway (Which takes about 1h) isn't worth the drops.

As it stands, UW is what it was meant to be: A place for high-end players to go. If you completely nerf it, it'll be completely empty. The crappy rewards don't justify the time put into it - It'd just be something for guilds to do when they're stupidly bored.

Killerminds · Nov 08, 2009, 10:45 AM // 10:45

The UWSC nerf was 99% successful. ToA is no longer filled with LF VALE TEAM, BLABLA LEET PROS ONLY. Who cares if a handful of people can still do it in 30 minutes, the majority of the UWSC community cant.

nawak · Nov 08, 2009, 10:54 AM // 10:54

1- you forgot lot of way to kill SC
2-any good balanced team can deal in HM with 4h ... learn a bit more from your 7 minute friends

edit on january 2010: yeah sure uwsc is only done by a few elite ? ... fuking dayway is almost more popular than uwsc ever was lol and took about 2 weeks to be started in pug ^^

Wuhy · Nov 08, 2009, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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Originally Posted by Killamus

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you entirely nerf UWSC AND give the chest epic rewards, that is the way to go, but this is obvious..

SmokingHotImolation · Nov 08, 2009, 11:24 AM // 11:24

Just because a small group of very experienced uw'ers can do it, it doesn't mean that uwsc is still an overpowered farm. Pugs sure as hell cant do it after the changes to it, so is your idea to make it so noone can do it?

AlsPals · Nov 08, 2009, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Would rather they kill UWSC and get rid of those stupid friggen UW chests that tend to spawn after clearing an area. You know, the ones that drop underpowered grapes? THe ones depended upon how close you are to the chest? Make REAL drops come out, make them appear more frequently.

MagmaRed · Nov 08, 2009, 03:19 PM // 15:19

UW isn't what needs the nerf. Shadow Form isn't what needs the nerf. PERMA is the only problem with the whole thing. Make SF unable to be maintained, and all farming is slowed down enough that most people will find other methods.

Eragon Zarroc · Nov 08, 2009, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Meh, maybe UWSC hasn't been nerfed, but like Killamus said, it has been slowed down a shit-ton. at least for now anyways. maybe that was anets intent

Xeros Rex · Nov 08, 2009, 03:46 PM // 15:46

sooo nerf sf and kill all the other sc's just for UW????

miskav · Nov 08, 2009, 04:17 PM // 16:17

^
Yes.
Nerf them all, -Just- For UW.
>_>.
Just nerf them all period, end of Q.Q.

Arduin · Nov 08, 2009, 04:38 PM // 16:38

^
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Nerf SF for the fact it enables godmode in an online game.

Chthon · Nov 08, 2009, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by ElnoreVarda

The 4Hmen can be done with a balanced team (in HM) with or without splitting, and without using tanks. Whats more troublesome to balanced teams is the mindblade spawns after you kill a banished dream rider. None tankspank teams have a hard time against those.

Regardless: Yes, nerf SF.

Yes, I was in that group, and I was downright shocked at how easily 4H went.

Conversely, SoG had me sweating bullets. Perhaps it might have been easier if we had known the new spawns, but still I definitely would not place a bet on routinely clearing that one with a balanced team.

Off topic, I don't care if it adds 5 minutes to the time, from now on I am always clearing around the stupid mountain reaper before taking Restoring the Monuments.

Finally, on topic: I'm dubious of a-net's goal of nerfing UWSC without nerfing perma. It seems to me that (a) perma probably deserves a nerf, so maybe they should just do it, and (b) as this thread shows, anything you do to UWSC is likely to just get countered.

So far, the nerf hasn't been completely. And I'm guessing its effectiveness is going to decline as more people work out the counters. I'm still holding out hope for a permanent additional Dhuum quest that hoses permas totally.

Fanita · Nov 08, 2009, 05:10 PM // 17:10

I would LOVE to see SF destroyed beyond repair. IMO, SF did to GW what Henry Ford did to the world. It took away any requirement of originality, skill, and hard work. SF is a get rich fast scheme, as was the assembly line. But I've come to realize that it doesn't matter if SF is raped, because people WILL find a new way to do things like FoW and UW in incredibly low times. Look at UB, everyone loved that, farmed the shit out of everything with it, ANet nerfed it, everyone QQ'ed, then they went and found an even better way to farm fast. The problem is not with ANet or the system or the monsters in UW or even in your skill bars. The problem is in each and every one of your hearts. Your desire to dumb things down and make things as quick as possible is what's ruining this game, game, GAME, GAAAAAME. It's a video game, designed to have fun. People are so bent over making money and profits and ectos that they forgot the true value of a good time. The truth is, ectos can't buy fun. ANet can't fix this problem, only we can. There will always be a quick way to do things, and if one is nerfed, another will be found; but we don't HAVE to abuse these things. In face, we don't even have to go looking for them. Why can't we all just PUG up and have a ridiculously stupid fun time? I miss those times.

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